For our third episode, we are excited to welcome Mark Vroegop and Trillia Newbell as our guests. Mark is the Lead Pastor of College Park Church in Indianapolis, and is the author of Dark Clouds, Deep Mercy: Discovering the Grace of Lament, which was named the 2020 ECPA Book of the Year. Most recently, he has published Weep with Me: How Lament Opens a Door for Racial Reconciliation. Trillia has published several books, including the children's book God's Very Good Idea: A True Story About God's Delightfully Different Family. She is a sought after speaker, and her articles are often featured in outlets such as Christianity Today and the Gospel Coalition. She is currently is the Director of Community Outreach for the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission for the Southern Baptist Convention.